Why I Made Fries at 4 A.M.

A sleepless night led me into the kitchen at four o'clock in the morning to make homemade French fries. At first, it seemed like an impulsive late-night craving. But the more we talked, the more I realized the fries were never really the point.

In this conversation, Ellen and Dr. Joy examine anxiety, coping behaviors, and how our thoughts can quietly shape the choices we make without us even realizing it.